Any of you use "No dips no Stars" in the remarks section of the flight plan?
All comments appreciated, pro and con.
Hank 172 driver

I do if they will take me out too far off of my route of flight.

Hankal wrote:
> Any of you use "No dips no Stars" in the remarks section of the flight plan?
> All comments appreciated, pro and con.
> Hank 172 driver

"Hankal" > wrote in message
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> Any of you use "No dips no Stars" in the remarks section of the flight
> plan?
> All comments appreciated, pro and con.
>

What is a "dip" in this context?

"john smith" > wrote in message
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> I do if they will take me out too far off of my route of flight.
>

Assuming the OP meant "No SIDs no STARs", putting it in remarks does not
mean you wont receive the route, it just means you wont receive it in the
abbreviated format. Since the government charts now include these
procedures with approach plates there seems no reason to put it in remarks.

Hankal wrote:
> Any of you use "No dips no Stars" in the remarks section of the flight plan?
> All comments appreciated, pro and con.

Nope. I don't see any purpose. The procedures are in my chart book. It's easier
for me to read the procedure than have the controller read it to me, which is
basically what will happen if they want me to fly the procedure.

DGB

john smith wrote:
> I do if they will take me out too far off of my route of flight.
>
> Hankal wrote:
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>> Any of you use "No dips no Stars" in the remarks section of the
>> flight plan?
>> All comments appreciated, pro and con.
>> Hank 172 driver

You can put it in there if you want but you will most likely fly the
same route anyways.

(Hankal) wrote:
> Any of you use "No dips no Stars" in the remarks section of the flight plan?
> All comments appreciated, pro and con.
> Hank 172 driver

Toons put "no dips" in their flight plan, and for good reason.

As for "NO SIDS / NO STARS", that's just some piece of sillyness left
over from long ago which no longer has any useful reason for existing.

The most likely effect of putting "NO SIDS / NO STARS" in your flight
plan is that they will ignore it completely and issue you a SID anyway.
The second most likely effect is they will just read you a longhand
clearance which ends up being the same as the SID.

I'm guessing he meant a DP (departure procedure).

Of course he might have meant that he doesn't want ATC instructions that
would require a significant decrease in altitude over a short period of
time, followed thereafter by a climb back to the previous altitude.

Or he might have meant that when flying in the area of a football game he
prefers a piece of Wedge or a Hot Dog to Nachos or Pasta.

Or he might have been trying to indicate to ATC that he is certain that he
does not have fleas.

Or he might have been indicating to ATC that he has older avionics
equipment, and requires SIMMS chips instead.

It's just too tough to be sure...

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in news:qRY1d.2246
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> "Hankal" > wrote in message
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>> Any of you use "No dips no Stars" in the remarks section of the flight
>> plan? All comments appreciated, pro and con.
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>
> What is a "dip" in this context?
>
>

>Assuming the OP meant "No SIDs no STARs",

My mistake
Hank

(Hankal) wrote in
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> Any of you use "No dips no Stars" in the remarks section of the
> flight plan? All comments appreciated, pro and con.
> Hank 172 driver


A DP or STAR will make the clearance shorter and easier to copy. Why make
life more difficult?

Having said that, I have received several DP's which simply say 'climb to
2000' and then expect radar vectors to XYZ'. I never understood why such a
simple procedure warrants publishing a DP.